The dead of Saint-Merry

vapaus-ystavyys-tasaarvo:

These are the guys I’d really like to know more about but don’t know how.

What information there is about the dead insurgents:

Names: Auffroy, Barrié, Biget, Duchamps, Florantin, Fournier, Gilbertheau, Gilibert, Giroud, Gras, Paule, Rozel.

Ages: Three were under 20, seven in their twenties, two were barely over thirty and one was 63.

Marital statuses: Ten unmarried, one married, others unknown.

Professions: A tailor, a leather currier, a bootmaker, a cabinetmaker, a joiner, a house painter, a carriage painter, a baker, a wigmaker’s apprentice, a day labourer and a pharmacy student.

Obviously there are a lot more who we don’t know anything about.

The reason I think there’s more information on these people somewhere (and connections between the names and the other facts) is that in another part of the book Bouchet mentions that the 63-year-old who Jeanne mentions too and who exhibited his arse on the barricade was a mason called Fournier and was born in Creuse. (Presumably not related to Rossignol’s friend Fournier?) 

http://chanvrerie.net/history/june-1832/charles-jeanne-5-en/

“Among us, there was a man 60 to 65 years old who had joined us on the evening of the 5th; his clothing suggested affluence, his extremely pronounced features indicated a strong and tempered soul; his conduct was very brave… it became frenzied when he saw such a large number of us fall. His great height (he was at least 5 feet 6 or 7 inches tall [in French units; about 182cm or 6 modern American feet]) put him at greater risk than any of the rest of us because he scorned the idea of taking cover behind the barricade; and yet he hadn’t received any wounds…. One of our brothers-in-arms received a mortal blow at his side… “Those scoundrels!” he shouted furiously; “doing us so much harm & not even knowing how to shoot…!” Upon which he put down his gun, jumped up onto the barricade, exposed his backside, and presented it to the national guards, saying, “Here, you pack of f——, you have no idea how to shoot on target, & you’re too cowardly to ever see one that’s the equal of this!” It was with great difficulty that we managed to get him to come down, by pointing out that his gun was lying idle; but he didn’t come back down until he’d re-fastened his trousers. “Don’t have any fear on my account,” he told us, smiling sardonically, “it’s because they’re aiming at me that they aren’t going to hit me!” Finally, he picked his gun back up, & we applauded, because he was one of our best shooters. I’ve been told that he was one of the 19 poor souls who, after surrendering in the house at number 30, our headquarters, were massacred in the most atrocious ways by cannibals wearing the uniform of the National Guard and the number of the 6th legion.”


The “side of the forces of order” only has lists of names and apparently that’s all the information there is for the most part:

The 42th line regiment: Bonnet, Demange, Hostin, Mestre, Mousseau

Municipal guard: Béringer, Coquelet, Herera, Lavrillière, Papillard, Reybel, Schmitt

National guard: (Bouchet says “for example” so I assume this isn’t the entire list) Allain, Lefort, Procht

And in the national guard, the one person who was given some detail: François Michel Bellier, 49, adjutant-major in the 4th legion, killed in the evening of the fifth and burried at Montmartre in the presence of the mayor of the arrondissement with Lefort. Jeanne himself watched this funeral procession in disguise and later writes about Bellier:

http://chanvrerie.net/history/june-1832/charles-jeanne-8-en/

“Poor Bellier! I didn’t know you back then… Master Sébire, your brother-in-law, generous defender of several of my young comrades-in-arms, hadn’t told me about your virtues & your ardent patriotism… He hadn’t yet told me that the monsters following your coffin had coerced you into marching against us by feigning doubt about your courage, you, old soldier of our old army… Ah! I wept tears of regret at the tale your brother told me of your fine actions in civilian & military life; afterwards I would have liked to bring you back to life, & yet I can’t reproach myself for your death… You were in the enemy ranks, you were at their head, & I had no way of knowing you… Oh! Why aren’t I rich? I would be so happy to be able to substitute for you with the children I snatched you away from..! Vile Égalité! How much generous blood will come back to fall upon your guilty head….!!”

(Égalité = Louis-Philippe)


Of course you can find a lot of descriptions of the dead on both sides by Jeanne in his letter. He just sadly never mentions their names, save for Bellier.

(All this information is from À cinq heures nous serons tous morts ! The translations of the letter are from

chanvrerie.net… I think some of these facts might be there too, I have the vague impression. Or maybe at Abaissé. I remember reading about the ages of the dead somewhere before this.)

Something meant to look up and add to this post before posting it but totally forgot:

The monument to “the victims of June” at Père Lachaise! It also lists name, although these are from all over Paris, not just Saint-Merry. But still relevant enough, I think. Turns out they’ve been listed on French Wikipedia’s June uprising page: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_r%C3%A9publicaine_%C3%A0_Paris_en_juin_1832#Monument_Aux_victimes_de_juin

(I was surprised to find those. I could have sworn I’d read the whole article before… I suspect those are a recent addition but I don’t feel like checking because honestly I don’t care.)

Anyway, these people deserve to get mentioned too.

Pretty sure they don’t list any of the insurgents, though.

EDIT: I FOUND THE THING CHECK THIS OUT. 

amelancholycharm:

vapaus-ystavyys-tasaarvo:

amelancholycharm:

vapaus-ystavyys-tasaarvo:

amelancholycharm:

vapaus-ystavyys-tasaarvo:

Number 30 rue Saint-Martin

Okay, sometimes you just find something and go “oh, why didn’t I just google this before?” (And now I’m going to end up just googling everything mentioned in À cinq heures aren’t I?)

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6488534c/f18.image

^there’s the floor plan of the house number 30 Rue Saint-Martin which is mentioned multiple times in Jeanne’s letter and in the trial. It was one of the main headquarters. That’s the house were the insurgents retreated and kept fighting for an hour or so. Some managed to escape through the roofs to the house next door, others were killed fighting to the bitter end, others surrendered and were executed anyway.

See this post. And  this post. Among others.

(cut for length)

ooooh cool!

ok, now I’m going to have to go over there and check out what’s there now, then compare it against the pre-1850 map that I have the best reproduction of (I think it’s the Turgot?)

You should! Even though it looks absolutely nothing like back then. I went there last October and took pictures. They really tore that place down… It’s so sad. But if you go down the street to the church it looks more like it probably used to.

Yeah, I’ve spent a good part of this year (only a slight exaggeration, I’m afraid) trying to locate some of these places & compare.  I think it’s present day Rue de Cloitre St Merri that corresponds more clearly? At any rate, it runs into St Martin and is where the church is. But none of this is nearly as bad as the mess that is the area around Les Halles, especially if you’re trying to do a now/then comparison.

Definitely gonna check out your pictures now:)

I can’t judge you at all, believe me. 😀 I only went to Paris for a weekend and I spent practically the whole time just visiting Les Mis related places (and museums)… ((Although back then I had a much hazier idea of where everything was and how it used to look like… I thought the Musain location was on the other side of the street from where it really would have been. orz)) And it’s cool! I assume you’re living in Paris or somewhere near then? *not jealous not jealous totally not*

What do you mean about Rue de Cloître St Merri? Corresponds how? Sorry, I’m just not sure what you mean. Like does it correspond to how it looked back in the day or does it correspond to the old Rue Saint-Merri? 

Actually I think both would be no, though. It’s definitely not the same as old Rue Saint-Merri, it already existed in 1832 and was right next to the church like now. The main barricade wasn’t actually at the church, though I think there were smaller barricades there too and people took over the church. But they were apparently acting at least somewhat separately from Jeanne’s group? Allies, yes, but with different leadership. I should look up more about them actually…

Rue Saint-Merri was moved but not that much. Actually, now that I look at it again, I think it might have been more just widened than moved? You get the illusion of it being different because the centre has changed and because there are all these café terraces along the left side. And I’m guessing they widened Rue Aubry le Boucher to the other direction?

And as for Rue de Cloître Saint-Merri, at least based on checking it out on google street view and comparing modern maps to the old ones, I’d guess the first two houses leaving from Rue Saint-Martin could be pre-Haussmann, plus the church of course, but other than that it’s completely different. It is in its original place though, just not at all in the same shape. It used to be an L-shaped street around the church, now it’s just a straight line from the church through the block.

ANYWAY. Yeah, omg, Les Halles… It just doesn’t work at all. You can find the place but it’s not like you actually feel like you’re there. Although I think Rue Saint-Denis at least is pretty much preserved? Also I actually feel like if you want to have feels about Rue de la Chanvrerie, Rue des Prêcheurs might actually be a better place to visit than Rue Rambuteau. Although Rue des Prêcheurs has been cut short… but at least it seems to have more of the old feel to it?

Also going back to your earlier comment about the Turgot map? I checked it out now and O. M. G. I HADN’T SEEN THAT ONE BEFORE! THAT MAP IS AMAZING. THANK YOU. I THINK I MIGHT JUST GO GET MYSELF LOST IN IT FOR THE WHOLE WEEKEND NOW. (it definitely looks big and detailed enough that you could just get lost in it…)

… Err sorry for just dumping a huge rambling wall of text on you btw. orz

haha yeah I have a total map obsession now; like, I have a book of reproductions of Paris maps (although they are kinda hard to see:( and the other night I was invited to dinner and the people hosting had a HUGE version of the Turgot (1739?) map on their wall? TBH they were kind of dull, but it didn’t really matter b/c I was all, do you mind if I just stare at your map for a while and try to figure out modern-day vs. 18th c. streets?

Also, yeah,you’re totally right re:Aubry Le Boucher/original St Merri looks totally different now; I was very much wanting Rue de Cloitre St Merri (right near the church) to be the location but it certainly wasn’t.  I got all excited when I saw the different numbering but recently learned that it was changed post-Revolution anyway.  It’s my last day here so I’m probably not as clear-headed as I might be:(

I’ve been living in the Marais for the past year? and have totally been doing this Les Mis/19th c. Paris/map geeking thing for a while, with mixed success.  Have found a number of awesome spots/museums while I”m at it. I can send you links to a few posts where I was maybe more successful with locations? (as the “upper Marais,” as I believe they are calling it now, is almost unchanged from pre-1840s, as opposed to most other locations.) I think they should be tagged “Les Mis places.” Anyway, this is waaaaay too long for a reblog, but it’s nice to talk to a fellow map-geeker!

Ohhhh, a huge Turgot map. 😀 I can imagine how cool that would be! … must resist the urge to have one printed for myself…. (although I do need more maps on my walls. Right now I only have two: a map of the historical and present day distributions of Uralic languages and… the Discworld. xD)

I totally get the urge to want it to be R. de Cloître St Merri (… why is that street name so loooong). It looks much more like the part. x) Although further east Rue Saint-Merri looks pretty nice too.

Ohhh my god, in the Marais? *____* That sounds amazing, Oh oh and please do link me stuff! I’ve seen a few of your posts but just the more recent ones, I think. Or well okay I can try the tag first at least. Although not right now, I should be sleeping.

Also we could like continue talking through fanmail? Or wait, was there some sort of limit in the fanmail thing that you have to be following the person for some time or something idk?

Blue = 1832

Red = 2015

Purple = both

Okay I’m gonna do like a real map post at one point too but I figured I might as well make a rough comparison.

This is SO not completely accurate (and I’m not even finished with my research yet so) and I made it in like an hour (which is way too little time to make it properly) but it should give you the basic idea.

Edit: Okay now it’s bugging me how wrong the relative widths of the streets are but I’m too lazy to fix it. xD Okay, just imagine Rue Aubry le Boucher and Rue du Renard are both as narrow as Rue Saint-Merri in the old map. Rue Saint-Martin should be the widest street in 1832 out of all of these.

avisalix:

vapaus-ystavyys-tasaarvo:

A double-fixed version of the cab scene!

I’m so sorry for spamming you with this. I SWEAR THIS IS THE LAST TIME I POST THIS SAME VIDEO. Now it should be okay. I hope. And even if it isn’t, I’ll probably just leave it.

And a million more thanks to bloomsbumyst!

Here is the original post once more, if you actually want to read my comments.

Here is the link to where you can buy this mini-series. Please do if you can.

“Come to my place” ok could we talk about how Courfeyrac is totally flirting here?

And how everyone wants to adopt Marius like he’s a stray puppy?

But of course you already know, because it’s all canon.

les miserables 1972 i must see this enjolras is totally scary and i’ve read the playing of his character is very accurate i need more les mis adaptations more please

Sorry to jump in like a creep but you should totally see it! It’s definitely my favourite adaptation of Les Amis AND Marius AND Gavroche AND Éponine too probably. Also Boutté’s Enjolras is so good. I know he doesn’t look anything like Enjolras, aside from being tall, but he’s so good at playing Enjolras. He manages to be both very calm and friendly but at the same time so intense and serious and holy crap. He steals attention even from 

Pecqueur’s Courfeyrac WHICH IS SAYING A LOT because that dude is also an amazing Courf and also steals pretty much every scene he’s in.

Has anybody subtitled this whole thing yet? I want that to happen so badly that if it doesn’t soon I’ll seriously consider doing it myself. Which would be bad because my French sucks. Also I have other translation projects going on too…

amelancholycharm:

Corner of Rue St. Martin and Rue de la Verrerie. 

This is somewhat in reference to vapaus-ystavyys-tasaarvo‘s post yesterday about 30 rue St. Martin and the Charles Jeanne letters.

 If you enlarge the first image a lot, it looks like what is now 70 Rue St. Martin used to be 10? (I thought it was the same, but if you look closely you will see that the mark near the 1 is actually part of the building.)  So I’m wondering if 30 used to be on this block, actually? This would make sense because if you face away from Rue de la Verrerie on St Martin you approach the St Merri Church:

So could this have been 30 Rue St Martin originally?  

Oh! Oops, sorry I only just noticed this! After writing the reply to that other post… Oh well.

THIS IS REALLY COOL THOUGH. This area really looks like it’s probably very similar to what it used to look like? And this house looks like it was probably already there and “saw” the battles. So this is where the… was it municipal guard? I can’t remember. Some of the fighters on the side of the king attacked the barricade from here and the poor guys got attacked both from the church and from the barricade at Rue Saint-Merri.

This is a bit further down the street, though. This is actually where Rue Saint-Martin began in 1832. The house you photographed was number 2 and the one facing it was number one. (I’ve been basically burying myself into old maps and old city guides and every source I’ve managed to get my hands on that’s online or in Thomas Bouchet’s book for the last week. orz;; Because I’ve been trying to put together a post with detailed maps and stuff. So I have like a ridiculous amount of details about this area in the 1830′s in my head rn.)

Anyway, sadly enough 30 Rue Saint-Martin just isn’t there anymore and there isn’t even another house where it used to be. It’s just empty space that people walk through. 😦

As I said in the post, it used to face rue Aubry le Boucher, so if you go where that street meets rue Saint-Martin, that’s where the house used to be.

bunniesandbeheadings:

Imagine it’s the year 1789 and you are waking up in Paris. You might hear an angry mob outside your window, about to storm the Bastille prison. Tonight, however, the mobs in Paris will be happy — celebrating Bastille Day, which marks the beginning of the French Revolution and the beginning of the end of French royalty. Along with all the ruckus and rioting that accompanied the revolution, commentator Miles Hoffman says there was also music in the air.

Drop in to any concert hall or ballroom and you could have heard plenty of Italian and French opera, choral music and orchestras. But most of the significant music of the day, Hoffman says, was not written by the French.

“The most important composers in France at the time were foreigners,” Hoffman says. “One of the composers very well known in Paris at the time of the revolution and just before was Joseph Haydn.” He was commissioned to write a set of six symphonies, known as the “Paris” symphonies today. One of them turned out to be a particular favorite of Marie Antoinette, and was later nicknamed “The Queen.“ 

Music was not suppressed during the revolution, Hoffman says. The theaters and opera houses were not shut down.

“The people who were in power were aristocrats or members of the upper middle class, and they didn’t necessarily have an allergy to high culture. They co-opted classical music. They inspired, or directed, important composers of the time to write great ceremonial pieces for big outdoor celebrations. So music became, in a sense, a tool of the revolution.” And it became very grandiose, such as the Hymne a la Victoire by Luigi Cherubini.

Music Of The Masses

Hoffman notes that the revolution spawned almost 3,000 popular songs, including the prominent hit of 1790 called “Ca ira” (“It’ll be fine”) which people sang in the streets. As the revolution became more violent, the words to the song were altered accordingly (“aristocrats to the lampposts, we’ll hang them …”).

But eclipsing that song, and outlasting it, Hoffman says, is “La Marseillaise.”
“It was written in 1792 by Rouget de Lisle, an army engineer, and picked up by volunteer soldiers marching from Marseille to Paris. They sang it along the way, and it became the unofficial anthem of the revolution. And in 1795 it became the official national anthem of the country.”

Legacy Of A Revolution

Was music changed by the French Revolution? Hoffman says one of the obvious ways was that a certain spirit of grandiosity became more common.
“Bombast, when it’s not tied to genius, is just loud and gives you a headache,” Hoffman says. “When it is tied to genius, as it was with Beethoven and later Berlioz, they took some of these ideas of grandiosity and they turned it into great music. Music that was great in itself and music that influenced great composers who came afterward.”

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What would you say is the dress code for Les Mis in West End? I know that there isn’t an official dress code, but if you had to guess, what would it be? Does it change depending on where you are sat? Thank you and sorry if this is inconvenient or anything :)

lesmiserableslondon:

I personally wouldn’t say there’s a dress code at all! Some people would but I’d say it’s pretty elitist to pretend you have to be posh to go see a show in the west end. I think that’s one of the best parts of theatre, that it’s inclusive you know?

You can honestly go as dressed up or as dressed down as you like. There are some times when I feel like going to a show dressed a little fancier, as if it were one special night out. Other times I go to the theatre in the casual clothes I wore that day! Just go what you feel comfortable in! 

pilferingapples:

grrrenadine:

juanjolras requested a Les Mis character and I got carried away and went full-illustration mode on it.

Eponine, on her own, in a stylistic ripoff of Roman Muradov (…again).

What a wonderful illustration!  You’ve really got the sense of the fantasy environment contrasting and overlapping with the real one, and Eponine looks so weighed-down by everything– just a great composition!